It all started off when I posted an article about the Muhammed cartoons being reprinted in New Zealand newspapers last week. IT was then that I suddenly started to take an interest in the issue. Why were newspapers all over the world suddenly starting to take a stand? What was the story behind it?
The I found http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/the_free_west/the_free_wests_weblog/2006/02/04/the_cartoons–a_chronology
which gives the background to the whole affair. OK, so a newspaper decided to test some ground because an author couldn’t find an illustrator for a chilren’s book about Mohammed.
That didn’t sound entirely unreasonable to me so I went looking for the images. And found them.
http://epaper.jp.dk/30-09-2005/demo/JP_04-03.html
Here’s the post I typed for a discussion board I hang out on:
‘Like Jesus with an erect penis’ m
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February 4 2006, 8:15 PM |
I think that is the right comparison.
From what little I can see of the cartoons it smacks of religious and possibly racial vilification. We try not to do it about race.
Yes, I believe in freedom of speech but I think there is an obligation to show some respect.
I don’t have a problem with the newspaper publishing a cartoon depicting Mohammed as a test because they wanted to see why an author couldn’t get a book illustrated. I totally have problems with what the editorial desk chose to publish. I think they showed a complete lack of responsibility.
And they didn’t realise the potential effect? Salman Rushdie had a hell of a time and that was well BEFORE Sept 11. That’s not naive. It’s inflammatory.
Well done JP, you probably sold many copies of your newspaper and doubled your yearly profits in one hit.
That is not to say that I believe that Muslims have any right to bomb embassies and the like. Violence is completely wrong. I don’t believe Islam to be a violent faith per se and while people may point the finger at certain parts of the Koran, I can equally point the finger at parts of the Bible. A boycott while extreme to me is tolerable even if it was a single newspaper that is responsible. I’m a huge believer in using the power of the dollar against companies that offend and if need be, whole nations. Hit them where it really hurts – in the hip pocket. It does bring up interesting questions on how Muslims are perceived in Denmark and whether the cartoons reflect the opinions of the general public in Denmark, Europe and the entire Western world.
I’m actually quite pleased that the cartoons have not been published in the UK so far. I find that encouraging. I wonder whether Fairfax, which owns the papers in NZ that republished the cartoons, will publish them here in Australia. I will be watching the SMH and the Age.
And taking it to the UN? Well, if you can convince the UN to take it seriously and you have the resources to get it there, that is a perfectly legal and valid way of tackling the issue. Maybe it will get some people to think about the messages that these cartoons are giving out.
I know I personally hate Polynesian jokes told from outside the racial group that is the butt of the jokes. They just reinforce some awful stereotypes that I have fought throughout my life. They are hurtful and all they do is breed resentment. And those jokes are relatively mild, just annoying.
Humour is most definitely a weapon. Charlie Chaplin used it successfully against Hitler in “The Great Dictator”; pre-WWII anti-semitism used it. Anywhere where a group is persecuted, humour is used. If you want to denigrate a people, create a joke about them and spread it around.
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By The Copenhagen Post
Caricatures of Mohammed are the same as portraits of Jesus with an erect penis, according to vice prime minister Bendt Bendtsen.
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Freedom of expression is important, but so is respect for other people, according to vice prime minister Bendt Bendtsen.
Bendtsen, the chairman of the conservative party and minister of economic and business affairs, said in an interview with daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten that freedom of speech was an important right, but it also carried with it an obligation to use good judgement.
Jyllands-Posten’s decision to publish 12 caricatures of Mohammed has created a row that has pitted Denmark against the Muslim world.
‘What Jyllands-Posten did is totally legal. I’ve got nothing against freedom of speech – it is important for us all – but if it can offend and hurt a lot of people, why use freedom of speech for that? This is about respecting other people’s cultures,’ Bendtsen said.
Bendtsen compared the 12 Jyllands-Posten caricatures of Mohammed to pictures of Jesus with an erect penis painted by Danish artist Jens Jørgen Thorsen.
‘I was deeply affected by them. I didn’t like them. Those are some of the same emotions,’ he said, pointing out that it was not unheard of for Danes to get upset over misused religious symbols: Two summers ago, a grocery store was forced to stop selling flip flops with pictures of Jesus after religious groups complained.
Bendtsen said Danish newspapers could possibly learn something from US newspapers, which tended not to try to push the limits of what was permissible.
‘In the US, freedom of expression is also important. At the same time, there is also a tradition of showing consideration for others,’ he said.
‘Religion is a deeply personal thing for a lot of people. I felt offended by the pictures of Jesus. Nor was I too keen about the sandals either.’
Another part of the thread started to deal with the original newspaper’s apology.
My response:
Well, I find this apology hypocritical m
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February 4 2006, 8:38 PM |
but I would accept it.
At least some positive press has also arisen out of it.
But that also leads me to ask what positive press has been published in the countries that chose to print these cartoons.
In NZ Muslims are a definite minority. NZ is pretty tolerant as a whole but it is not perfect.
Here in Australia there are increasing numbers of Muslims especially in certain areas. There are areas with large numbers of Lebanese and Turks. Here in Darwin we have lots of Muslim Indonesians. Life has been much more difficult for them post 9/11 even though Darwin is very accepting of them. The Islamic community here fits in well with the general community and there are opportunities for people to visit the mosque. I certainly feel that I could approach the people at the Mosque if I wanted to find out something.
But I have never seen a feature article about successful Muslims in the news that actually includes mention of their faith.
In NZ there was [is?] a news programme about Polynesians that showed the kind of stories you never saw anywhere else. Biographical items, items about culture, success stories…it was the 30 minutes per week when I got to see people of my own ethnic background portrayed in a positive light. As opposed to the news which reinforced the poor, welfare dependent, badly educated, rugby playing, obese, unhealthy stereotype. The stereotype of Polynesians walking around with jandals on their feet. Nobody ever mentions its because jandals are frequently the only thing available that actually fit and that noone sells decent shoes big enough. Anyway, my brother used to live in Hamilton, and Mum and I would fly up to visit in the school holidays when I was a kid. We lived in a very white part of NZ with very few Maori and Polynesians – there were more Chinese – and Hamilton is very brown in comparison. There came a moment where I realised I was making value judgments on Polynesians based on their dress and colour AND I WAS THE SAME COLOUR AS THEM. Now I certainly had not been taught racist attitudes by my parents so I had absorbed some racist ideas from the dominant culture by sheer osmosis. And the media is very much part of that.
If a newspaper is going to reprint this stuff I think they are obliged to use it as a discussion point. Freedom of the Press/expression by itself as a reason is specious. This is a much deeper issue.
Well, that’s my rant. Hmm, I think this issue has hit a nerve LOL.
I somewhere asked one of my friends for her take on it. She is an American married to a Turkish Muslim who is now in the US Army and has done a stint in Iraq.
Here’s her post:
I haven’t read all of your comments but here is my take (m)
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February 5 2006, 12:50 PM |
We HAVE to reprint them so people can see what all the fuss is about: Bullshit. People can see these anywhere there is an internet cafe. There is no reason to reprint them.
Islam does not allow the characterization of ANY thing with a soul in art. Yes this rule has softened a bit over time, but you will never ever see a depiction of Mohammed bad or good drawn by a Muslim. In Ottoman tilework tiles with birds would be spilt in half (symbolizing that the bird was dead) and then tiled up next to one another. Christianity has long been celebrated in art and has no taboo against it. That is why it is different than having cartoons of Jesus and other prophets. So you cannot make the argument that A is ok so B is ok.
When the Okalahoma Federal building was bombed no one drew depictions of Jesus in a suicide vest or riding on a bomb laden donkey even though the people responsible were fundamentalist Christians. The characterization of Mohammed as a terrorist is the same as saying all muslims are terrorists. How would devout Jews feel about a depiction of a Jewish couple holding a baby pig at a bris? There is a difference between freedom of speech/press and slander. Slander is illegal and never appropriate.
I have the right to say that some muslims are terrorists and draw cartoons about it but I have no right to say that Mohammed and therfor all of his followers are terrorists. The last IMHO is slander.
Should this incident be an excuse to violent protest and the burning of Dutch embassies? Absolutely not, but the Muslim people do have the right to be heard. Muslim leaders have asked for these cartoons not to be reprinted and their request has not been granted. German officilas do not allow neo-nazi cartoons or sentiment to be published in their newspapers, but they did allow this. What is the difference? To me there shouldn’t be any. A newspaper has the right to sensor itself and sometimes must in order to be on the side of morality.
I’ve also heard the argument banded about that because certain Islamic newspapers publish anti-semittic (sp?) cartoons, that it is ok for these other newspapers to publish anti-Islamic cartoons. This is the same as saying, my neighbour beats his wife so its ok if I do too. Someone has to take the moral highground or we are all in danger.
You know, it strikes me that I haven’t seen any article during my casual surfing sessions around the topic deal with the prohibition of drawing Mohammed and what that is all about. Why didn’t JP actually look at the reason why they couldn’t find an illustrator for the children’s books? I have to ask how something so obvious could have been excluded. Is Western society becoming that blinkered and intolerant that it can forget to ask what should have been a basic inquiry?
This issue is so much deeper than the issue of democracy and freedom of expression. Why aren’t the words “responsibility”, “integrity” and “inquiry” being heard? Not to mention “tolerance”.
For something that last week I didn’t give a hoot about, this issue is bugging me bigtime.